Dear Johnek and all,
My critical remarks on bamboo don't are „another pro trees argument", because they apply accordingly to trees too. The most convincing and solid publication I know in this respect, is from Christian Körner, Institute of Botany, University of Basel (Switzerland):
KÖRNER, CH.: Plant CO2 responses: an issue of definition, time and resource supply.
New Phytologist (2006) 172: 393–411
Nobody should publish something in this field without knowing this review from Christian Körner.
Regards,
Raimund
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Von: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Johnek
Gesendet: Samstag, 18. September 2010 04:11
An: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: [bamboo-plantations] bamboo inclusion in carbon forestry
I tend to see this as another pro trees argument at another level. I'm not an expert at the micro biochemistry view point. But isn't biomass similar, trees or bamboo where carbon are capture and store, bamboo arrange C slightly different. The speed by which bamboo does it is unmatch by trees, does it matter how bamboo get it through, infact it does it better by not overshadowing others in its community, allowing the other community to thrive and even assimilate what others had not use. And on slippage or leakeage, most is through human application that carbon should leaked. In natural forest, after maybe 40years if the bamboo shall flowers, it shall die and fall to the ground, so do trees, though much later. Then trees or bamboo slowly rot and become soil. They do not "evaporate" do they. So if bamboo are turn into timber for a life time usage in furniture and building like trees where is the different, and bamboo are even better if turn into Charcoal and AC and letter into biochar, where most trees may not. The ancient cultures already knew this however were explained very differently. And the so called new science culture just found out and argue that bamboo is not better, please, do say more.
Johnek
--- In bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com> , Mowdean media Engineering & Service Sdn Bhd <mowdeanmedia@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,your comments are sharp.The question about carbon sequestration and carbon
> trading is how the poor nations can economically benefit out of it. If
> carbon trading took place,wouldn't it carry costs and how to deal with it.
> Suppose the concerns about global warming as human derived situation is a
> farce,who benefits out of it. Could global warming is a tool deployed
> globally by the capitalist elites to further strenghten their grips on the weak
> and the poor. A new world order they said,well ordered by whom?
> I like bamboo for what it is.Too many conjectures and hypothesis about bamboo
> are rubbish.
>
> Â
>
> ________________________________
> From: Raimund Düking <raimund.dueking@...>
> To: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, 14 September, 2010 2:47:44
> Subject: AW: [bamboo-plantations] bamboo inclusion in carbon forestry
>
> Â
> Hello Nick and all,
>
> I would like to repeat here some comments about the carbon sequestration of
> bamboo stands.
>
> Citation:
>
> “There is significant potential to sequester and store carbon in well
> managed bamboo stands. Although it is widely thought that bamboo has
> higher than average carbon sequestration abilities, due to their fast
> growth rate, … “
>
> 1. A full-grown bamboo stand does not sequester carbon because he is at
> equilibrium of growth and decomposition. A full-grown bamboo stand is a
> carbon stock which is flown through by the carbon. To understand better the
> difference between “carbon stock†and “carbon flux†please see the following
> published data:
>
> Page 49, figure 6 in Y. ISAGI, T. KAWAHARA, K. KAMO & H. ITO:
>
> Net production and carbon cycling in a bamboo Phyllostachys pubescens stand.
> Plant Ecology 130: 41 â€" 52, 1997
>
> If you can understand German, you can find my critical comment about ISAGI’s
> publication here:
> http://www.bambus-deutschland.de/wcms/Clients/113200756071213/Documents/40/0
> 90812%20Kohlenstoffkreislauf%20im%20Bambushain%20neu.pdf
>
> 2. The supposed higher carbon sequestration abilities of bamboo are based on
> a misunderstanding since the fast growth rate of the new culms is not based
> on the ongoing photosynthesis but on the shifting of organic material which
> was stored before in the older culms and in the rhizomes. In other words:
> The older culms, which unlike the trees don’t become anymore higher and
> thicker, focus their whole annual yield on the emerging new culms. From
> there results the astonishing growth of the new culms.
>
> Please see the following publication:
>
> E. MAGEL, S. KRUSE, G. LÃœTJE, & W. LIESE:
>
> Soluble carbohydrates and acid invertases involved in the rapid growth of
> developing culms in Sasa palmata (Bean) Camus. The
>
> Journal of the American Bamboo Society 19(1): 23 â€" 29, 2006
>
> 3. If you are thinking of storing carbon in bamboo products, please pay
> attention to the critical Bangkok paper of Walter Liese:
>
> Liese, W, (2009), Bamboo as Carbon-Sink - Fact or Fiction? VIII World Bamboo
> Congress, CD, Vol. 3, 71-79
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Raimund
>
> _____
>
> Von: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com> ] Im Auftrag von
> bamboo-plantations-owner@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bamboo-plantations-owner%40yahoogroups.com>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. September 2010 08:09
> An: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com <mailto:bamboo-plantations%40yahoogroups.com>
> Betreff: [bamboo-plantations] bamboo inclusion in carbon forestry
>
> Hello,
> The message below was sent to me by Nick Hogarth of CGIAR. I have
> pasted the contents of the attachment to the text body at the end of the
> message.Your comments are welcome.
> Kind regards,
> Victor BriasModerator
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Hogarth, Nick \(CIFOR\)" <N.HOGARTH@...
> <mailto:N.HOGARTH%40CGIAR.ORG> >
> Date: 7 Sep 2010 06:42:27 GMT+02:00
> To: <info@... <mailto:info%40bamboo-plantations.com> >
> Subject: bamboo inclusion in carbon forestry
>
> Hi Victor, I thought the bamboo plantations community may wish to
> comment on the email (below) and attachment regarding bamboos inclusion
> in ecosystems services certification and carbon sequestration. cheers,
> Nick Hogarth
>
> Poverty Environment Network (CIFOR)
> Center for International Forestry Research
> Bogor, Indonesia
> E-mail: n.hogarth@... <mailto:n.hogarth%40cgiar.org>
> mob: +62 81280702018
>
> web: http://www.cifor.cgiar.org/pen/_ref/about/index.htm
> <http://www.cifor.cgiar.org/pen/_ref/about/index.htm>
> The Plan Vivo Foundation is currently seeking views on whether the
> Plan Vivo Standard should include bamboo in eligible activities for
> generation of Plan Vivo Certificates (ecosystem certificates based on
> the volunatary reduction or avoidance of carbon emissions) Please send
> your comments by email to elaine@...
> <mailto:elaine%40planvivofoundation.org>
> <mailto:elaine@...
> <mailto:elaine%40planvivofoundation.org> > Elaine Muir
> Programmes Manager
>
> Plan Vivo Foundation
>
> Tower Mains Studios
>
> 18b Liberton Brae
>
> Edinburgh
>
> Scotland EH16 6AE
>
> Tel: +44 (0)131 672 3782
>
> www.planvivo.org <outbind://45/www.planvivo.org>
>
> The Plan Vivo Foundation is a charity registered in Scotland, Charity
> Number SC040151.
>
> ================================================================
>
> Should ecosystem services from bamboo
>
> be eligible for generating Plan Vivo Certificates?
>
> Plan Vivo Consultation Note
>
> August 2010
>
> The Plan Vivo Foundation is seeking views on whether the Plan Vivo
> Standard should include bamboo in eligible activities for generation of
> Plan Vivo Certificates (ecosystem service certificates based on the
> voluntary reduction or avoidance of carbon emissions). Inclusion of
> bamboo is being considered due to its potential to generate both climate
> benefits, but also compelling livelihood and ecosystem benefits.
>
> Specific consultation questions can be found at the end of the document.
> Please send your comments by email to elaine@...
> <mailto:elaine%40planvivofoundation.org>
> <mailto:elaine@...
> <mailto:elaine%40planvivofoundation.org> > before Wednesday September 15th.
> The Foundation appreciates all comments, ideas and feedback.
>
> Current position of carbon standards on crediting bamboo activities
>
> · Compliance regimes (CDM, JI)
>
> Bamboo is taxonomically classified as a grass, not a tree. Therefore
> there have been reservations in permitting its use in CDM afforestation
> and reforestation projects[1] <#_ftn1> . The CDM Executive Board
> position on the matter is that, until a country's Designated
> National Authority expressly includes bamboo in their definition of
> `forest', it is assumed that the definition does not include it.
> There are currently no CDM bamboo projects.
>
> · Voluntary regimes
>
> Currently no voluntary standards include bamboo as a creditable
> activity. NB/ This does not mean that projects cannot include bamboo
> activities as a means of generating emissions reductions from other
> areas; e.g. a Plan Vivo REDD+ project could support bamboo planting to
> reduce local deforestation drivers. However, the carbon benefits of
> planting or managing bamboo cannot directly result in carbon credits.
> Concerns about crediting bamboo include both the difficulty of including
> it in the definition of forestry (to enable crediting under the category
> of `afforestation and reforestation'), and also concerns that
> use of carbon finance for bamboo could result in large plantations with
> no or little biodiversity benefits.
>
> The case for crediting carbon benefits from bamboo in Plan Vivo projects
>
> · Potential climate impacts
>
> There is significant potential to sequester and store carbon in well
> managed bamboo stands. Although it is widely thought that bamboo has
> higher than average carbon sequestration abilities, due to their fast
> growth rate, there is a lack of published data available to support
> this. However, it is generally accepted that the productivity of bamboo
> biomass, particularly in managed stands, is within the range of woody
> biomass in the same environment.
>
> · Potential livelihood impacts
>
> Growing bamboo can provide significant livelihood benefits for land
> managers, particularly poor, small-scale, rural land managers. It can
> provide:
>
> - Long-life products e.g. furniture and construction materials
>
> - Renewable biomass fuel (bamboo can reduce deforestation by
> providing a substitute for fuel wood from natural forest)
>
> - Increased food security in human and livestock diets; shoots of
> many species are edible and nutritious, and also a source of fodder for
> livestock.
>
> The fast growth and early maturation of bamboo stand, and potential for
> selective harvesting â€" extracting older culms and leaving younger
> ones to grow â€" means income can be derived from bamboo without
> decreasing total stand biomass. Annual harvesting of bamboo can provide
> an important source of regular income, with the opportunity for quick
> returns on any up-front costs and labour.
>
> Case study: Bamboo for development in Peru
>
> A three-year bamboo development project in the north of Peru, has
> established three micro-enterprises, employed 100 artisans and trained
> 300 farmers in bamboo silviculture â€" all of whom are now earning
> incomes from bamboo. Many of the beneficiaries are women, in an area
> where development projects normally benefit men.
>
> · Potential ecosystem impacts
>
> Bamboo plays a significant role in biodiversity conservation. For
> example, many birds use bamboo as a significant proportion of their
> habitat and there are many little-known invertebrates specially adapted
> to the environment within hollow bamboo culms.
>
> Bamboo also provides many ecosystem services (shown in table 1) making
> it an important plant for agroforestry in particular.
>
> Table 1: Ecosystem services provided by bamboo (as classified by the
> Millennium Ecosystem Assessment)
>
> Category of Services
>
> Type of services provided by bamboo
>
> Support services
>
> Nutrient cycling, primary production
>
> Provisioning services
>
> Food, fuel wood, fibre, biochemical, genetic resources
>
> Regulating services
>
> Climate, water regulation and water purification
>
> Cultural services
>
> Spiritual and religious, recreation, aesthetic, inspirational,
> educational, sense of place, cultural heritage
>
> Plan Vivo and bamboo
>
> Several features of Plan Vivo projects mean that bamboo activities may
> be particularly appropriate for crediting, and thus should be considered
> for crediting:
>
> · Bamboo activities appear to have significant potential to
> provide ecosystem services at the same time as livelihood benefits, with
> economic returns in relatively short-time spans
>
> · Plan Vivo activities are always programmatic in nature; they
> take place on multiple smallholder or communally owned or managed land
> and therefore result in multiple interventions across a landscape,
> typically including several activities and different species. Inclusion
> of bamboo therefore will not lead to large scale commercial plantations,
> and the diversity of activities means that projects will still have
> diverse biodiversity benefits.
>
> Consultation questions:
>
> 1. Is there a valid case for the quantification and
> certification of the ecosystem services provided by bamboo, in the
> form of Plan Vivo Certificates?
>
> 2. Should bamboo only be eligible for crediting as an A/R
> activity (i.e. crediting of carbon sequestration, not emissions
> reductions from existing bamboo stands)?
>
> 3. Should bamboo activities only be eligible for crediting if
> they form part of a wider set of project activities, including
> afforestation or avoided deforestation, or should stand alone bamboo
> projects be eligible for validation?
>
> 4. What potential risks are there to inclusion of bamboo that
> would need to be considered?
>
> [1] <#_ftnref> Kant, P (2010) Should Bamboos and palms be included in
> CDM forestry projects? IGREC Web Publication No. 07/2010.
> http://igrec.in/bamboos_and_palms_under_cdm_forestry.html
> <http://igrec.in/bamboos_and_palms_under_cdm_forestry.html>
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