Dear Jehan,the problem is that there is no possible way of having a precise scientific
evaluation system of the social-economic-cultural and environmental impact
of every product from every nation. Comparing bamboo to wood, is like
comparing bananas to apples.
Let´s just be reasonable and advocate the sound advantages of bamboo, not
try to force misleading environmental propaganda on bamboo unreal
advantages, and hope that our efforts and conclusions are in the path of
truth. It is impossible to be perfect in this world, not one single product
is trully sustainable if replicated by 6 billion people.
In my opinion, bamboo people should be discrete using environmental
marketing over its products, as means of green factor comparition are badly
developed. Priority seems to be changing people´s old habits before trying
to "greenicize" all economy at once.
best wishes,
Raphael Moras de Vasconcellos
raphael@bambubrasileiro.com / www.bambubrasileiro.com
raphael@agenciabambu.com.br / www.agenciabambu.com.br
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Sent: sexta-feira, 7 de novembro de 2008 23:11
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Subject: Re: [bamboo-plantations] Re: Bamboo facts on floors and furniture!
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maybe a simple solution lies into classifying green products on their degree
of "green commitment"
5 stars would be your most efficiently sustainable product and so on....
This will come up one day, as we see now some products in supermarket stands
with their "carbon weight" from production process to the stand shown on the
label........
Jehan de Maille
Costalegre, Jalisco, Mexico
Cel: +52 (1/045/044) 315 1002113
Skype: Jahnot
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From: Xavier Dufrénot
To: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [bamboo-plantations] Re: Bamboo facts on floors and
furniture!
Dear Raphael,
Your question is very interesting on a ethical and political point of
view. What is the level of acceptance to define a green or not green
product, sustainable or not sustainable? The question of sustainability has
maked a lof of sociologists busy without clear answer up to now, simply
because they get stuck on many questions like: can we consider any kind of
classic way of productivity as sustainable just because they make green
products? can we consider that a green product is sustainable if during its
production is not (socialy and economicaly) ? Can we have a sustainable
development without changing our way of production and consumption? Can we
define sustainability without rule and clear regulation that can be
followed by everyone from all over the world? I am still working on it.
Bamboo is the best case study for all these questions!
Xavier
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Jehan de Maille
<jehan.de.maille@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jehan de Maille <jehan.de.maille@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [bamboo-plantations] Re: Bamboo facts on floors and
furniture!
To: bamboo-plantations@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 5:45 PM
i think the solution is to be found in this same forum.....look how many
projects of nurseries and/or plantations are announced per week worldwide...
.
...if people in southern europe and northern africa start producing (Spain
subsidies bamboo production), then bamboo flooring there could get more S.
....now of course eskimos will have to stick to ice flooring if they want
to go "green".....
of course no one is going to point a gun on someone's head forcing them to
buy this more expensive flooring for its eco figures..... .
.....but look around and judge for yourself.... ..
----- Original Message -----
From: Raphael Moras de Vasconcellos
To: bamboo-plantations@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [bamboo-plantations ] Re: Bamboo facts on floors and
furniture!
Dear Kinder,
I am too always skeptic about the usage of the S word regarding this IS OR
IS NOT sustainable for bamboo products. It is not 100% right neither to
call
bamboo flooring sustainable or unsustainable. Glue, machinery, energy,
transportation, etc are all factors. There are advantages and
disadvantages.
A simple question: how could North America and Europe produce local 100%
sustainable flooring??? Possible?
Another one: could people just stop buying not 100% sustainable flooring?
Sometimes arguments tend to be eco-exagerated. But sure, we must adress
problems and find alternative solutions ASAP.
best wishes,
Raphael Moras de Vasconcellos
raphael@bambubrasil eiro.com / www.bambubrasileiro .com
raphael@agenciabamb u.com.br / www.agenciabambu. com.br
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Sent: segunda-feira, 3 de novembro de 2008 01:30
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of it being a sustainable material we want to use it for everything, but
we
dont realize that some process affect it and damage some of the
sustainable
characteristics that it originaly has.
Can someone please 'define' the word "sustainable" for me in regards to
PRODUCTS.
In MY mind, the word "Sustainable' , is regards to our ability to keep it
growing and producting:: i.e. NOT using it to the point of extinction..
In THAT context the word has NOTHING to do with HOW we USE it.. I
have
recently seen, PhD Thesis, written about the "sustainability" of bamboo
PRODUCTS. To ME that word does NOT fit.
Or is that another menaing that I am not aware of ? ? ? We can "sustain"
the production of Bamboo flooring (for example), as long as there is
bamboo
to do it with. But if proper maintainence and harvesting techniques are
not
used, then the groves of Bamboo will NOT be sustainable. (Did that
make sense ??? )
Best regards to all Bambooers. Kinder in Central TExas.
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